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Death Penalty

Posted by: Jonathan Tabianan | June 19, 2006 |

The following is a little discussion I had with some of my internet friends. This discussion regarding death penalty took place a long time ago in a very popular forum for the Filipinos all over the globe. Here is goes:

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[SOMEBODY0] wrote:

’Wag na… Kahit gaano kasama ang taong bibitayin na un, tao pa rin un kung si Jesus na anak na ng diyos Ama,ay hiniling na patawarin pa ang mga taong nag pako sa Kanya sa krus,tayo pa kaya na tao lang…….
Na subukan n’yo na ba makipag inuman sa mga bibitayin?
Ano kaya ang feeling…? Siguro baka mapa-iyak lang……!

Ano kaya ang mga sasabihin n’ya bago s’ya bitayin…?
”Wala lang….!”

[Jonathan] replied:
I’m really against Death Penalty! Humans are just not that accurate to judge whom deserve to die. Sapat na ang habang-buhay na pagka-bilanggo para magdusa ang nagkasala. Leave it all to God.

[SOMEBODY1] wrote:
But I still would like to believe that God alone has the right over lives and I don’t call a killer’s life an innocent life, let’s just say, his life’s gone astray and he’s bound for judgment day and for hell.

”We are not God.”

[Jonathan] replied:
You are right!

SOMEBODY1:

“We are not God” and we don’t have the right or accuracy equal to God to judge a human to die. Kaya nga may mga bilangguan para ibilanggo ang mga may kasalanan, kung makagawa man sila ng panibagong kasalanan habang nasa kulungan, kargo na ng mga namamahala ‘yon.

[Jonathan] wrote:

Death panalty is completely mistake, and you cannot correct mistake with another mistake.

Ang isang tao, kahit gaano pa man kalaki ang kasalanan, may karapatan pa rin na mabuhay at magbago. Humans are naturally good natured…

[SOMEBODY2] wrote:
Payag ako (sa Death Penalty), siguro naman hindi mo na sila mapapatawad kung sobra na yung ginawa nila.diba?

[Jonathan] replied:
That is true if the tragedy he or she caused to you is still fresh, but in time, I’m sure mapapatawad mo na rin yung taong ‘yun. The question is, “are you satisfied with the “death” of that person?” Ask your self about it…

[SOMEBODY3] wrote:
Ibinalik na ang death penalty, hindi lang pinapatupad. Dapat itong ipatupad kasi nararapat lamang na pagbayaran nila ang krimen na nagawa nila. Unfair sa mga victim na parang exempted ang mga death row convicts samantalang ang mga victims ay patuloy na nagdurusa.

[Jonathan] replied:
What do you mean, “ibinalik na, hindi lang pinapatupad?” Ang labo yata.

I think, ang habang-buhay napagkabilanggo ay mas masaklap pa sa kamatayan kung ipapatupad ng maayos.

Ang gusto ko lang ipunto dito, tao pa rin ‘yan at may karapatang mabuhay at magbago. Try puting yourself in their situation, what would you feel?

Nangyari na ang nagyari, at siguro kung ako ang nasa kalagayan ng biktima, gugustuhin ko rin na mamatay ang kriminal, natural lang ‘yon, pero dapat mo ring isipin na hawak mo na ngayon ang buhay ng taong ito. In this case, I would rather give the final judgement to God…

[SOMEBODY4] wrote:

Noon pa dapat binalik ‘yan! Sa dami na ng masasamang tao, kailangan ibalik ‘yan para matakot silang gumawa ng crime! Tanungin ko lang kayo? Kung kayo ba pinatay ang mga lola o lolo, magulang, o asawa o anak. Pinatay ng walng awa, pinagtripan o ginahasa, o pinagpuputol ang mga katawan at nakita mo kung papaano nila ginawa. ANO ANG GAGAWIN MO? Pag-isipan mo ngang mabuti… Halos lahat ng Bansa sa mundo merong death penalty, isa na lang tayo sa napag-iiwanan. Kaya walang pumupuntang mga dayuhan sa atin kasi takot silang maging victim. Alam nila maraming masama. Masama na ang imahe ng Pilipinas sa mga dayuhan. Kaya oras na para ituwid ito.. Kamay na bakal ang kailangan!!!

[Jonathan] replied:
Cay you please give me a proof that almost all country in the globe already implementing death penalty. Hindi porque ito yung trend eh, makikisabay na rin tayo at ito ‘yung tama.

[SOMEBODY5] quoted:

“What do you mean, ibinalik na, hindi lang pinapatupad? Ang labo yata.”


[SOMEBODY5] commented:

What SOMEBODY4 means is that we have Republic Act 7659 which describes the implementation of the death penalty, however the execution of this law (pun intended) has more than once been delayed. Justice delayed is justice denied.

[SOMEBODY5] quoted:

”I think, ang habang-buhay napagkabilanggo ay mas masaklap pa sa kamatayan kung ipapatupad ng maayos.”

[SOMEBODY5] commented:
Hardship in prison? So that’s why we have some convicts who live better in prison than normal people who live in free society. Reclusa perpetua? For whom? Those without the power and the money to get lawyers so that they can negotiate for parole?

[SOMEBODY5] quoted:
”Ang gusto ko lang ipunto dito, tao pa rin ‘yan at may karapatang mabuhay at magbago. Try puting yourself in their situation, what would you feel? “

[SOMEBODY5] commented:
I am not for the indiscriminate taking of life. RA 7659 only describes henious crimes (drug trafficking, rape etc). I wouldn’t put myself in their shoes for I am not a rapist nor a drug trafficker. Consider how rapists feel? Consider how drug pushers feel? Have you tried asking the victims how they feel?

[SOMEBODY5] quoted:
”Nangyari na ang nagyari, at siguro kung ako ang nasa kalagayan ng biktima, gugustuhin ko rin na mamatay ang kriminal, natural lang ‘yon, pero dapat mo ring isipin na hawak mo na ngayon ang buhay ng taong ito. In this case, I would rather give the final judgement to God…”

[SOMEBODY5] commented:
Victims are not allowed to take the law in their hands. If they were, we would have a lot more vigilantism. That’s why we have courts. And how would you put the fear of God in people who do not believe in God? By threatening them their souls will burn in hell? You’d probably be making them happier because they will be with their master. The final judgement IS with God, what we punish is the flesh; only God has the power and the right to punish the soul.

My two dphp’s worth.

[Jonathan] replied:
May butas ang batas. Kung gagawa lang tayo ng batas an walang butas, mas malakas at mas “makatao” dapat. The fault lies in the flawed law.

[SOMEBODY6] quoted:

“Halos lahat ng Bansa sa mundo merong death penalty, isa na lang tayo sa napag-iiwanan…”

[SOMEBODY6] commented:

–> DEATH Penalty…

[Jonathan] replied:
–> DEATH Penalty…

[SOMEBODY7] commented:

Tama lang ‘yun ‘noh!

[Jonathan] replied:
Killing is not always right!

[Jonathan] wrote:

Death Penalty is simply human’s desperate way to solve what they cannot solve, and to control what they cannot control in a “humane” way. Death Penalty is simply “killing”, a sickly, organized and overtly-civilized but covertly-barbaric way. The result of our inability to judge between good and bad. The bottom line is, “WE ARE NOT GOD!”…

[Jonathan] wrote:

NO TO DEATH PENALTY!!!

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Thank God GMA has abolished Death Penalty… ;-)

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Responses -

y? do u think we are worthy of Divine judgment?

think about it..

uhmmm… we shud re-impose death penalty…

Jonathan! Are you out of your mind? Don’t you know that are criminal ratings are extremely high? We need the death penalty if we want to even dream of living in a safer place. So many people are being brutaly murdered and all we can do is just give them a God-damned life-imprisonment. We are actualy giving them a safer haven in pursuing their criminal lives. Sure, everyone has the right to live, but when they violate the right to life of others, they forfeit their own right to live. Think about it, the instatement of the death penalty into the Philippine Judicial System is a necessity if we actualy want to live in a much prosperous nation. Its not yet too late to change sides, come on over.

Oh come on, too scared to fight back?

If your not online, I understand. If you continue to oppose this penalty, you are representing the cowardly side of the judicial side. Hehe, enjoy reading.

You made this blog, you have to always be there to be there to tend your site. You lack responsibility. You don’t have the right to call yourself authorized to give comments.

COWARD!!!

why are so mad at him?

hehehhe…well, you have a point vergel…harhar…
heinous crimes deserve capital punishment, ryt guyz?

wer r u jonathan?

Yes!!! Of course. Rememeber the golden rule!!! Do not do on to others what you do not want others to do on to you!!! Where are you mister COWARD? We are waiting.

Look Jonathan, you dont have any present supporters. You don’t deserve my critisism, but you need something negative to make yourself positive.

go JV!!

death penalty is a rightful punishment for these heartless
criminals…

how can we say that only God has d right to judge us when
in fact we r not worthy of His judgment??
that’s why we have d supreme court here.. to judge us in
behalf of God.. y r u insisting that the criminals have a right
to live when they actually ruined d lives of the victims they
have offended?

the right to life should be given to the victims and their
relatives. justice must prevail at all costs!!

where r u Jonathan? comment back..
i am from the future. hehehe..

There are 3 highly respected personnel questioning your credibility. You’d better sentence yurself to death!

Jonathan, how old are you? Are you still in the right age to even feedback?

Hello, are you still there?

to somebody 1:

why waste d national fund for these evil murderers and rapists?
why not spend this money to the needy, to the less fortunate?
criminals who r in jail live a better life than those who live in free society!

oh c’mon.. ur arguments r just based on emotions and not on
logic and practicality..

to jonathan:

ur arguments r shallow.. i don’t even have to exert effort on
my own arguments. to abolish death penalty is to
abolish justice itself!!!

hello?

Go ivann, I think you’re in a very nice school. What school is that? Just curious.

“severus ultio ultionis pro immanitas vitum..”

harsh punishment for heinous crimes..

i am from harvard university
.. hehehe..

guyz, what’s wrong?

First of all, I woud like to thank all those who made their comments, I appreciated it all.

Actually, these discussions occured somewhere around May - June of 2006, if I’m not mistaken at http://www.thedigitalpinoy.com, although the forum’s database was already cleaned and all data were erased totally a long time ago.

I was 23 years old that time so I believe in what I stand for and will stand with it until now.

I believe that we, humans, have the right to create and implement laws for our good and to ensure our co-existence in this world.

We create laws to regulate every aspect of our existence and to have an organized and healthy society where everyone can exist without worry, but not to the extent that we exterminate our fellow humans (criminals) just to give peace and “justice” to the victims. Criminals are victims too, in a deeper sense… We are all born naked and innocent, and can remain at least as a good individual as we grow, if we will be given a chance to grow in a healthy society. That is, we, especially to the leaders and authorities, should promote being humane to our fellow humans, even to all living creatures in this planet, to eventually instill positive outlook to everyone especially to the younger generations toward his/her fellow.

Punishing those who violated the law is necessary but it should be in a constructive path, not a destructive one, such as imposing Death Penalty.

Well, your right, the criminals are victims, victims of their own stupidity, they had their chance to constrict themselves from doing so, take note, death penalty is not a deterrent to the rise of criminal ratings, but death penalty is the highest form of justice which is appropriate to polarize the highest form of injustice. If we, the Filipinos, do not reinstate the death penalty, we are not showing compassion to the victims or even the relatives of the victims.

Death penalty is not destructive… the criminals deserve it…
death penalty is justice in the name of law and the crimes are injustice…
we should re-impose death penalty to bring justice to its rightful perspective…

so how oLd r u now sir? hehe.. i’m only 17 but this is my stand.

u may be ryt.. criminals r victims but they shud have been responsible for their actions. death penalty is humane bcoz it protects those innocent victims whose lives were wrecked without valid reason by these criminals. God Himself, in the old testament have appointed man to judge man. He said that anyone who violates the 5th commandment shall surely be put to death. the death penalty is not revenge. it is the highest form of justice proportionate to the highest form of injustice w/c is the crime committed by the criminal. but only when it comes to heinous crimes that death panalty comes into question.

we cannot let those wicked criminals get away after their prison terms and walk on the graves of his victims. it is not bad to make the earth a little safer, is it? it is not wrong to protect the future victims of these criminals. it could be us, it cud be u. it cud be anyone. once a murderer, always a murderer! death penalty is d only proportionate punishment for these heinous crimes. who’s life r u protecting anyway? r u putting the criminals in the limelight? think about it Mr. Jonathan.

just my thoughts..

Imposing Death Penalty will not actually protect the victims, as far as my own opinion is concerned. I’m not a lawyer, and law is far from my field of experties. I’m just voicing out my own thoughts and belief as a person, who are living for about 28 years in this planet.

So you guys are saying that “Whatever was taken, it should be the payment” right. In tagalog, “Kung buhay ang inutang, buhay din ang kabayaran”. This doesn’t actually, works equally, as far as my observation is concerned. Things about human lives are not that simple. There are a lot of factors that pushes criminals to do crimes.

It may sound logical (Highest form of justice for the highest form of injustice), but it’s not just logic that should work here. Killing another human (criminal) cannot be considered as the highest form of justice. Justice don’t kill. Governments only use it (Death Penalty) because they wanna end something they cannot handle, once and for all. Humans don’t simply understand yet what’s “justice” and “injustice”.

I as a father to my daughter and a husband to my wife, will gevern my own family in a constructive way. Punishing them is necessary if they’ve done something that is against house rules but I will punish in a constructive way, that is to teach them a lesson, so they will learn how to govern their own lives, and not to instill hate in their heart and mind. I will always give them a chance to correct their mistakes and develop their person as they grow.

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sa tingin niyo, ano katumbas ng buhay? isang beses lang tayo mabubuhay tapos kung kukunin lang yun ng isang tao..sa tingin niu tama ginawa nia…? parang ang pangit naman isipin na ang mga pumapatay may tsansa pang mabuhay pero ang mga pinatay andun nilalamayan.? dva kslanan din s diyos ang pumatay?

Well, it’s better than “accidentally executing an innocent person”, where I think possible to happen if Death Penalty will be implemented. It’s better to keep the acused alive and wait until the truth is revealed by time. Powerful people can use their money and influence to have an innocent person persecuted.

The justice’s should be preserving life rather than destroying life.

Let’s face the reality that Death Penalty’s nature is destructive and it connotes vengeance, revenge and anger. I imagine what the face of the “justice” would look like while imposing death penalty in a person and a “justice” who imposes reclusion perpetua to a person. I prefer looking at the latter’s face.

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